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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jul 4, 2008 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

read what these numbnuts think of the dead. boy was i pissed.http://www.warr.org/dead.html

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 5, 2008 12:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: critics, in general, exist in an intellectual vacuum

Henry Rollins on music critics: "But some critic taking a swing at me? I know enough now to not get angry. I know that in the real world I could come across the table and that guy couldn't handle me. I also know that I out-gross him, his woman would come with me and that without people like me he doesn't have a job. If I stopped doing what I do, there'd be thousands of letters asking why. If the writer quit his job, no one would notice. I'm putting food on his table. He's not putting food on mine. I realize that in the relationship I am the god. I know in a harsher plane, I'd be king of the jungle and I'd be eating soup from a bowl made of his cranium. Can you dig it? Knowing all that allows me to take a lot of things in stride."

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 5, 2008 12:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: critics, in general, exist in an intellectual vacuum

I love what he did with black flag, but is it just me, or does his spoken word work really, really suck? then again, he's no greg ginn (who?)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 5, 2008 12:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: critics, in general, exist in an intellectual vacuum

well, i've only seen him live for his spoken word stuff, three times, and loved it every time; not sure how it would translate on a commercial release, of which i believe he has several; of course, i've always approached his performances with the appreciation that it's Henry Rollins, and he has rarely disappointed; i've got a few vids if interested?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 5, 2008 12:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: critics, in general, exist in an intellectual vacuum

not trying to slam him, just wonderin'. i'll pass (for the time being) as i'm still working on the wall of sound project, which I owe to the winner of the basketball tourney (because I don't have any david bromberg). I have seen some of the rollins' tv stuff, like the one w/ ryan adams, and i did like him in that format (controlling his own show)..

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Poster: pigpen_81 Date: Jul 5, 2008 11:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: critics, in general, exist in an intellectual vacuum

I've listened to very little of Henry when he was with Black Flag but have alot of his later stuff such as Weight and around that era. I also have never seen him live but have around 4 of his spoken word cd's and found them very humorous and sometimes quite moving, emotionaly.
I like Henry.

pigpen_81

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Poster: patkelley Date: Jul 4, 2008 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

You can't take anyone seriously or objectively if they start off their "reviews" with "I hate the Grateful Dead and Jerry 'Fuckin' Garcia. At least he liked some of their stuff.

I also like "they've got nothing to say lyrically..." Hunter would get a kick out of that one.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 4, 2008 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

Hey, if you have to explain it they probably wouldn't understand anyway.

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Jul 4, 2008 10:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

That's why Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors, not everyone is ever going to dig the same one you love so much.

One of the things I love about the Dead are the lyrics. They have nothing to say, yet say everything. They don't come from on top of a soap box or fight some "cream puff war". Beautifully ambiguous.

Happy 4th - Wave that Flag.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Jul 5, 2008 9:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

I think the Dead lyrics is their strongest asset, probably even greater than Jerry. It's what sets them apart from other rock and roll bands that sing about jibberish, put together incoherent sentences, makes up words for the sake of rhyming, and various other things like that. I started paying much greater attention to lyrics when Jerry said that he felt the lyrics set them apart from other bands. I think it really helped them to have poets write 90% of their songs. And the one song that Weir put words to, Saturday Night (and I think parts of Sugar Magnolia?) isn't as good as it could have been.

Lyrics are awesome. How can one not like Brokedown Palace, The Wheel (I know that song is kind of silly but it's great), Eyes of the World (probably my favorite) and Estimated Prophet (another favorite)?!?!?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 5, 2008 11:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

despite not being much of a lyrics person, for the most part, i think i can agree with you, though not sure if the lyrics are greater than Jerry, meaning, i would be just as thrilled with listening to Jerry play whether lyrics were present or not; in fact, the lyrics be damned in more cases than not; there are occasions when i am listening to some of the earlier compositions, such as Doin That Rag, Mountains of the Moon, even Cryp>TOO>Cryp, New Speedway Boogie, etc., and comparing them to the compositions of the mid and later years, and i am just amazed at the breadth of Hunter's lyrical reach, almost as if it is not one person writing the lyrics but several; and of course, that's not far from the truth, in the sense that an artist develops over time, picks up new themes and imagery and extends his/her craft; for me, and i know this is not the case with others who listen to the GD, the lyrics, and their various vocal nuances, are separate from the music; that's not a bad or a good thing, it just is; for comparison, if you are familiar with the music of Loudon Wainwright, you find that his lyrics are very much tied in with the musical composition he has crafted around the lyrics; for example, listen to his song Unhappy Anniversary ... he is writing about a very unhappy theme (the breakup with his wife) and yet, the music itself is very uplifting, happy even ... a strange juxtaposition between lyric and music and vocals that i don't believe any other artist has perfected as Loudon has; anyway, at the end of the day i am just a listener and prone to giving my 0.2 pence however i see fit; cheers

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Poster: jemajn2323 Date: Jul 6, 2008 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

Your subject line makes the whole thing self explanatory. As Dead Heads we usually find it just short of impossible to explain our hard core love of this music. Actually, I guess we could talk forever about it. So music criticism means nothing. But the lyrics?!!! They are completely accessable to anyone remotely motivated to understand cryptology, coolness, and americana. I don't think any of this could have happened without our sweet bard. A thousand year curse on this dick and his offspring.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jul 7, 2008 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

I've always found those who don't "get it" to be rather humorous. I know lots of folks that used to rag on me about the dead all the time. i would just smile and say "thanks....your just one less person i need to worry about keeping me from getting my ticket to the next show!!"

As for this guys reviews.....It was hard to take him seriously when in the review of the first album, he didn't know that Viola Lee Blues is not a GD original, or that School Girl is not a Yardbirds original.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 5, 2008 1:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

This critic JA is not totally off track, his capsule reviews leave a lot of tracks out of the analysis, so at best it's meant to be a guide for blips,
not scholars who spent time on every track from the 1st GD LP to whenever their piggy bank ran low on pennies.

I mean, he's trying to be fair though he can't shake off the inside or outside camp conclusions...
he's only interesting and less irritating when his opinions are truly his own and not a nod to the imagined readers of his critiques.

Neither "side" will bring him home to stay.

He needs to do a lot more homework or plan on writing generic tho semi-pro reviews for a free weekly owned by a arbitron-style grab that rack in city X with all the shoe-fits house style that does in depth puff poieces with any real conviction, such as the SF Weekly - which came to town, lowered it's ad rates to sink the Bay Guardian, the other weekly, home-grown
(since '66) and more centrist ass-kissing yet useful bully who were never more than a paper tiger going after the giant newspaper monopoly that merged then tried for years to kill each other off
(SF Chronicle came out bloodied circulatoion wise but didn't sink to the SF Examiner associated press cut and paste 20 page throwaway that never quite gets anything right.

Yeah, this dead boy could take his portfolio to the SF Examiner and write informed sounding bias that they wrap their ads with.

Window dressing and opinions masking as news is standard at Ex.
So little in-depth Examining and so few facts to offer, the tepid gossip is a minor plus of the former Hearst monarch of the dailies for SF.

I mean to say, in all fairness, that this JA guy could make the SF Examiner a little more interesting flyer before he develops the faculties required to write serious blog based on facts, man (oh, yeah, you know, they make you double check those at the State University Journalism dept.; something J.A. breezed through at the Junior College evening classes he passed with flying colors.

It's a bit tougher and more challenging at The Onion (who feature serious capsule reviews and Amazon.com style lists.
The Onion might hire him if he sharpens his pencils and suffers for his fluffers, where's the beef brother buzz?

Ya can't just take on the ouvre of the fucking Grateful Dead and say nothing of The Eleven on Live Dead other than the songs are at least 6 minutes long as if that were trying to his attention span.

What's he gonna tackle next, the films of Alfred Hitchcock?
Or the complete guide to Film Noir might be one to throw darts at.
Try doing The Rolling Stones or The KInks, that'll piss a few fans off.
Careful with that dull axe, Eugene.
Maybe he thought the Dead heads wouldget slightly perturbed but maybe he also thought, why not, they don't care about the actual studio or even live albums with all those cassete tapes they play, right.
Easy peazy.
Not.
on his capsules and gets better.

The New Yorker, Arthur, Ugly Things, Mojo and Rolling Stone are way above his current faculties.

Stick with the web patge for a while, until Mom starts asking for rent.

Then get a job...
with the Examiner, hope that helps,

Now go back JA and listen a little more to the music, and clear your cache files and dump the bookmarks to the cutesy blogs.

I should talk, but hey.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Jul 4, 2008 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

When I was just out of college I managed a video store. I would recommend movies to people (at their request) and more often than not they would be happy. There were the occassional few that would come back and say they didn't like my recommendation, to which I would reply, "You probably didn't get it." They were never offended (suprisingly). It's because, if they were so narrow minded that they didn't get the movie they wouldn't understand the insult.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 4, 2008 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

that last sentence is very funny, thanks.....

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 5, 2008 12:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: wow, is this what non heads think of the dead?

They're all confused.

PS
I've been inspired by the music of Dick's Picks Vol. 22 and the remastered Anthem of the Sun (the finest 1968 Pigpen on the market imho) to finish writing a corrected version of my solemn statement, given on this 4th of July, 2008.

This is my sincere redeclaration of independence:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=199106



This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2008-07-05 07:13:02